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My day was okay. Hayfever could have been worse, and to have a delay of only 45 min due to about 40 km of stop-and-go on the road is probably a good ratio ;)

On Saturday, I once again did some nailart on my husband's feet, this time completely painted with acrylics. The paints come in nice colors and are ODORLESS. Very much healthier for me. Are there any statistics how many women have a damaged liver due to nail polish and remover fluids?

And on a completely random but persistent thought - why are Spock's "daughters" preferably lesbian? Not only did lbts and others write Saavik/Valeris fic, but Farfalla and Djinn independently of each other paired Saavik with T'Prings daughter. In my own fiction, I married Saavik to Spock, but their daughter is a lesbian (and had a strange ONS with Valeris on Romulus).

So...why do some people obviously feel the same vibes here? Is it, with the K/S lingering in the background, more within our expectation that the daughter of a queer person might ~~be queer too (because she might face earlier the realisation that people don't all come in the het mold)?~~ develop an early awareness of gender and sex that will encourage her to explore her own sexuality more openly than it is probably the case for the offspring of a traditional family? (Edited because my first way to write it obviously caused unexpected irritations :)

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Is it, with the K/S lingering in the background, more within our expectation that the daughter of a queer person might be queer too (because she might face earlier the realisation that people don't all come in the het mold)?

That wasn't my motivation at all. I'm one of those people who doesn't like the "everyone's gay" version of slash, in which K/S, Mc/Sc, Ch/U, and Su/C are ALL in the same story. Kirk is with Spock in my Saavik/f stories only because Kirk is ALWAYS with Spock in my stories, but if that hadn't been set in stone I wouldn't have written them that way.

I don't know about other people, though. And I'm o_O about the Djinn and me both doing the same thing idea. I'd had NO idea! (You say independently--did she write hers after me and had never heard of my series, or did I write mine after her with no knowledge of hers?)

Also, there's another issue--TOS has very few major female characters who make believable, convincing lesbians. Saavik is the most likely, and, failing her, any OFC's we make up are a good opportunity for that. Those two Vulcan gals in my Spock playing chess story started flirting with each other from the first bit of dialogue on.

That's just my opinion. I really don't think any of us are doing it specifically because we think gay parents make gay kiddies, unless you're speaking of yourself because you know what's in your head, and in fact the idea is kind of the opposite of what I'm comfortable with.

Also, back to Saavik--the character was originally written male and retains a lot of male qualities, at least for a fictional character. Especially at that time period there weren't a great deal of women characters who WERE interchangeable with a male actor--they fall in love or act bitchy or catty or weak or sexy or SOMETHING. Saavik does none of these things. She's a bit queer in that way even if she's 100% straight. (Real women are like her, of course, but literature is never about real people *g*)

Djinn wrote after you, and when I sent her FB via PM, I specifically asked her if she knew your stories - and she said she didn't at all (I believe her). So it's really interesting, isn't it, that people think so alike here.

You're right about Saavik's ambivalent gender, good point.

And no, I absolutely didn't want to say that queer parents have queer kids. But I'm sure that the kids of queer persons start questioning themselves earlier than other kids would do, no matter the result. It might just as well be that they detest their parents for being different and would turn to be rather homophobic. But gender in homosexual families is a theme that kids of "normal" parents just don't encounter like this from early on.

Ha, interesting. I can see why it made you think. But I'd put money on it having more to do with Saavik herself than her K/S parents. After all, you really don't swing towards K/S in your inner heart and Djinn doesn't swing there 99.5% of the time at all. (At least, in the sort of way where Saavik winds up being raised in a gay household.)

It's a very good point about kids of queer parents, but I just don't think that's where most of us are coming from. (If Kirk and Spock were canon, or if it were Jenna and Jesmihr or people like that who were doing it, sure... maybe...)

Sorry to disappoint you, but my S/Saa universe is preceded by K/S. It's just..unwritten ;)

Re Djinn, I think you underestimate her. In one of her latest S/Ch stories, it is very clear that Spock had been together with Kirk until his death in a very loving relationship. She is thinking het, slash and femslash, and what gets written probably more depends on her Chapel addiction than anything else. She's definitely not the kind of het writer who puts a forcible limit on her thoughts and character developments.

P.S. Just love this Saavik icon :)

Feel free to steal the icon; someone made it for me as a favor and I'd assume as long as she retains credit she'd be okay with it. She's a stranger to me.

Point taken about Djinn. As for yourself, that's probably why you're thinking about this whole issue--if you see in your OWN mind some sign that you're slashing Saavik because of her being raised by Kirk and Spock, then of course at least someone's thinking that way :-) And Djinn may be, too. I guess we'll have to see what she says.

*slightly frustrated* No, I DON'T think that my OFC daughter being lesbian had something to do with how she was raised ;) She just went that way. I made her bisexual from the start, but she was raised by Spock and Saavik - not K/S ;)

We're obviously not communicating on the same wave length right now...

We're obviously not communicating on the same wave length right now...

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have tried answering the question for anyone else, just myself.

Yeah, or jumping to conclusions. I'm sorry I obviously hit a weak spot in my first posting, and I guess I can see it - but it was never intended the way you read it.

Hey!
I hope you don't mind, I am friending you. I believe we have communicated on the Spock/McCoy Haven where my screen name is mani_marte and I go by my real name (Jessica). I have enjoyed reading your stories and thought we could be LJ friends!
Jess

You're welcome. I'll friend you back :)

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