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syredronning ([personal profile] syredronning) wrote2007-04-18 09:40 am

Kitchen psychology excerted on the Virginia shooter's plays

(Note to self: this is the second time I use the tag school shooting...the first one was by a German teenager (f-locked)).



So, while I'm very sad about the many people who got killed, I'm also interested in the WHY. Because people have reasons (no matter how strange and sick they look). So I gave the two plays by Cho a closer look. They are published at

Cho Seung-Hui's play, 'Richard McBeef'
Cho Seung-Hui's play, 'Mr. Brownstone'

So, what do we have inside? We have
- two authoritative figures (step-father and teacher)
- that are accused of molesting, butt-raping etc.
- that win in the end (the first kills the 13yrs old, the second talks his students out of their casino win)
- that the main character(s) would want to kill (but none succceeds)

While the violence and hate is of the distasteful level, it's actually the molestation motive that disturbs me the most, because I find it so obvious. Most young men that are molested by older men are in the old teenage/yound adult phase (I do have a source somewhere, maybe I find it), so the thing with the authoritative figure makes sense.

Of course, that seems too easy...but in such moments I remember my first girlfriend who told me that she had loved her father till she was four and then suddenly she started to hate him - and lots of red alerts went off in my kitchen psychology head. And in fact, later she found out that she had been abused by her own father for years. Some things ARE obvious and not well-hidden.

(I also knew a German guy who was molested by a Catholic priest (in Germany) as a teenage boy and who >10yrs later was still visibly shaken when he told me about it - and he escaped without real harm done. Men doesn't necessarily take abuse easier...)

I wish we could learn more about the shooter's background. I wonder how deep they will look or if it's just another nutcase for them. But I mean, they're lacking the handy excuse of dark clothes/goth, heavy metal, egoshooter games, wrong friends...oh, they got depression. Maybe. Or a love affair - for which I've seen no proof at all, but everyone seems to jump at the explanation. But the texts definitely point into a clear direction to me.

P.S. People tried to make officials aware of the strangeness of the boy, just like in the German case. But nobody seemed to have really cared or taken some more time to look into it.

From http://community.livejournal.com/_columbine/25542.html, posted by someone who knew the German shooter:
I find it funny how myself and at least 3 other people have reported Bastian to the cops multiple times for years and they just laughed at us and told us to come back when we had someone who wasn't just looking for attention, etc...
Now what? Hm? He's dead and he shot a bunch of other people. Nice.
And people actually have to ASK why some people don't bother to go to the cops?


Oh, and a link from a friend which is definitely macabre but also somewhat amusing (German but should be understandable - title is approx. Being up early is unhealthy

[identity profile] chvickers.livejournal.com 2007-04-18 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
The love affair may have been a red herring. The first witnesses didn't see the shooter but told campus officials that the girl who was killed had a boyfriend who owned a lot of guns. They then assumed it was "just" a domestic disturbance and went to question the boyfriend, who was not involved. Somehow the story got out that she was his girlfriend - nobody's even sure if she knew him.

He may have been stalking her. Some sources are reporting that he had stalked a number of women before.

I have a feeling this won't be blamed on depression but on anti-depressants. It's a no-win situation: if they're depressed, it's the depression that did it, but if they were on something to treat the depression it's the drugs.

One of the saddest things was that his English teacher tried very hard to help him but nobody could do anything, because nothing he had done at that point was illegal or immoral. *But* after that he started taking pictures up girls' skirts, and even though the girls complained nothing was done. I don't know why, but I wonder if officials saw it as a "harmless prank".

[identity profile] syredronning.livejournal.com 2007-04-19 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Now that there's a lot more information seeing the light of day, he had a long history with the police and psychatry. And I also read specialists thinking about abuse and paranoid shizophrenia. So I hope they'll forget about the depression...

[identity profile] d-drusilla.livejournal.com 2007-04-18 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
There's not much on telly, so I ended up screening a lot, and the way everything is presented varies so much from one channel to the other that it would be funny if it were not such a tragedy.
I have the odd feeling that journalists are going to steer crumbs of data the way they want while cops or whoever is in charge of the inquiry are going to close this case as fast as possible. o.O

[identity profile] syredronning.livejournal.com 2007-04-19 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
Well, a lot more information is leaking out now, and it's not a nice story for many departments...not at all.

[identity profile] d-drusilla.livejournal.com 2007-04-19 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
*nods*
And it looks *very* complicated.
o.O

[identity profile] roadstergal.livejournal.com 2007-04-18 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
One aspect of this that pisses me off - he walked into a store with a credit card and walked right out with a 9mm Glock and ammo.

The Virginia governor's comments when asked about gun control:

"People who want to take this within 24 hours of the event and make it their political hobby horse to ride, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

I have nothing but loathing for people who want to talk about gun control after someone kills 32 people with a readily available gun.

And some pro-gun nuts are already saying that even looser gun laws would have protected the people at Virginia Tech.

[identity profile] syredronning.livejournal.com 2007-04-19 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, you ALL should get a weapon in case someone some day wants to shoot you.

No matter how many more dead people there will be because people snap up or overreact... ;)